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Non-messianic religions?
Malik Posted: Mon Jan 12 00:35:43 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I was having an argument with a friend over religion, and it got me to thinking of the prevalance of messianic religions. You know, ones based on a messiah who saves/enlightens humanity, like Jesus, Buddah, Mohammed, Zoroaster, Abraham/Moses (to an extent; they did talk with God), and the like.

What I'm wondering is, are there any widespread (read: non-cults (if anyone gives me the "a religion is just a big cult, I'm gonna hurt 'em") ) religions that aren't based on a single or few historical figures that save/enlighten humanity?


 
choke Posted: Mon Jan 12 01:17:59 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I might get killed for saying this, but satanism hasnt got anything to do with a messiah or even the devil, its basically a way of being your own god. Thats kindof enlightening... But probably not what you were looking for?


 
DaveHill Posted: Mon Jan 12 04:35:28 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  As far as i can tell, and i might be very wrong here, every religion/cult has at least one figure which serves as a sort of bridge between this world and the next/other. We humans probably need to have someone to blame weird occurences or so.....


 
misszero Posted: Mon Jan 12 05:34:17 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  yeah, I agree with choke. I found that while reading TSB that I was all 'hey, yeah, that's cool!' and 'I so know a psychic vampire or ten!' and I'd originally been kinda sceptical and dismissive of the idea. But yeah.


 
iggy Posted: Mon Jan 12 06:08:50 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  the satanic bible is gibberish written by that anton fella.

pure satanism was never about lucifer, sacrifice, blasphemy and all that hoopla.

anyway i'm starting my cult soon.

booze, sex, porn, guns, big ass cars, anarchy, sex, more booze, free love, and the shit.

anyone interested?


 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 12 07:02:07 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Hinduism may fall into this category. I don't have a great understanding of the religion, but what little I know is that it's the worlds oldest major religion and there is not a single messianic historical figure in it like the other major religions, unless you count Apu from the Simpsons.

Apu: Mr. Simpson, please pay for your purchases and get out and come again!




 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Jan 12 07:54:08 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  wicca, it teaches reverence for mother earth and all living things.


 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 12 08:09:21 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>wicca, it teaches reverence for mother earth and all living things.

Don't count. Too small and insignificant to count as a widespread religion. Essentially new-agey witchcraft stuff previlant with spaced out Californians and a few weird Kentuckians : )


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Jan 12 09:31:36 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>ifihadahif said:
>>wicca, it teaches reverence for mother earth and all living things.
>
>Don't count. Too small and insignificant to count as a widespread religion. Essentially new-agey witchcraft stuff previlant with spaced out Californians and a few weird Kentuckians : )

not true, it's essentially the religion of the european pagans before the advent of christianity. that makes it truly the "old time religion".
It never went away completely, but the practitioners were forced to do so in secrecy because of the stigma attached to it by the Christians.
It has become popular with American youth in the last few years and that is why it is associated with the "new age" movement, but it is surely older than christianity.



 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 12 10:18:57 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>not true, it's essentially the religion of the european pagans before the advent of christianity. that makes it truly the "old time religion".
>It never went away completely, but the practitioners were forced to do so in secrecy because of the stigma attached to it by the Christians.
>It has become popular with American youth in the last few years and that is why it is associated with the "new age" movement, but it is surely older than christianity.

Okalie Dokalie, I'll give you the age thing (not sure if you can equate wicca exactly with paganism practiced pre-christianity). However including wicca as a widespread religion today would mean you'd have to open the floodgates for a whole mess of minor religions, and I got the feeling Malik was referring only to major widespread religions (see first post).
>


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Jan 12 10:58:22 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>ifihadahif said:
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>>not true, it's essentially the religion of the european pagans before the advent of christianity. that makes it truly the "old time religion".
>>It never went away completely, but the practitioners were forced to do so in secrecy because of the stigma attached to it by the Christians.
>>It has become popular with American youth in the last few years and that is why it is associated with the "new age" movement, but it is surely older than christianity.
>
>Okalie Dokalie, I'll give you the age thing (not sure if you can equate wicca exactly with paganism practiced pre-christianity). However including wicca as a widespread religion today would mean you'd have to open the floodgates for a whole mess of minor religions, and I got the feeling Malik was referring only to major widespread religions (see first post).

Well, I don't really see Wicca as a big cult, and he did metion Zoroaster. At the very least, it's a prevalent as Zoroaster.
So there !


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 12 11:17:56 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Addi I think you should create a whole series of the painting guy.

Same character same situation but with different painting and reaction.

Maybe you could sell it to a magazine or something


 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 12 12:03:34 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:

>Well, I don't really see Wicca as a big cult, and he did metion Zoroaster. At the very least, it's a prevalent as Zoroaster.
>So there !

Okay! I quit. You win : )


 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 12 12:08:18 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>Addi I think you should create a whole series of the painting guy.
>

I have been doing a series over the past few weeks. I've done mouse, sweet p, malik, and ant (i believe I've even managed to tick a few of 'em off). I'll probably continue to put others pictures in, but there isn't a whole lot of them to work with these days. I can't do the animated gifs. What happened to your couple picture?


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 12 12:15:59 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  I don't only mean GT pics but like the shell thing now.

Had some probs with picture uploads, will put it (or a new one) back when I remember to.


 
addi Posted: Mon Jan 12 12:27:25 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christophe said:
>I don't only mean GT pics but like the shell thing now.
I may keep doing them for a while, but only for GT. It keeps me out of trouble (mostly)

>Had some probs with picture uploads, will put it (or a new one) back when I remember to.

Put one up that I can work with. Inspire my creativity! lol


 
socialyD Posted: Mon Jan 12 15:31:42 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Christian Science... I could be worng but I believe it is not messianic.


 
ifihadahif Posted: Mon Jan 12 16:08:17 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  socialyD said:
>Christian Science... I could be worng but I believe it is not messianic.

really ?
I thought they were Christians.


 
FN Posted: Mon Jan 12 16:08:59 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Death to all religions except the one created to worship me


 
sweet p Posted: Mon Jan 12 23:45:33 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  addison said:
>I have been doing a series over the past few weeks. I've done mouse, sweet p, malik, and ant (i believe I've even managed to tick a few of 'em off).

I missed it!
Though I must say, I prefer Starry Night anyhow : )
And I found you ear......


 
Kira Posted: Tue Jan 13 00:54:29 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Sweet P said:
>
>And I found you ear......

Addi, you should have blood dripping onto the guy's shoulder. >:D


 
addi Posted: Tue Jan 13 07:35:53 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  Sweet P said:


>I missed it!
>Though I must say, I prefer Starry Night anyhow : )
>And I found you ear......

Too bad. It was very flattering if I do say so...and I do. And you win the prize for finding the ear, P. I've heard that Canadian women are very observant!


Sailovzi: I thought about putting some blood on the crazy guy's ear, but then I remembered I faint at the sight of blood so I skipped it.


 
socialyD Posted: Wed Jan 21 16:15:48 2004 Post | Quote in Reply  
  ifihadahif said:
>socialyD said:
>>Christian Science... I could be worng but I believe it is not messianic.
>
>really ?
>I thought they were Christians.

Actually they just use the term christian because somewhere along the line someone broke of on of the more radical denominations and created christian science.

I believe they're into the I am god, your god so unlock the god inside kind of relgion.


 



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